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Dec 16, 2008
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It would be nice if the post reply area were displayed by default, and not revealed only by clicking on the “post reply” button….if you want someone to do something put it right in their face, don't semi conceal it….

Another thing, when I made my very first post on this forum, the first time I had used a simple press forum, I typed out my message and then looked for a “post” button but couldn't find one, I noticed “Save New Post” button but initially ignored it because I didn't want to save it I wanted to post it. Anyway I worked it out in the end but….people are thick as sh*t, possibly including myself, and they skim and scan web pages quickly, I've always worked on the principle of K.I.S.S, don't make people think, make it very clear what they are supposed to do. If your market is clued-up net people then the current way of doing things works but if you're looking at mass market for this I'd advise, like I said, not being too clever, especially with “hiding” the post reply area… just my thoughts, not carping, it's a great forum script, you've done a tremendous job….Smile

Dec 16, 2008
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I have to say I disagree about having the post reply area opened by default.  Whenever I read a thread, I dont need to see that extra empty space unless I plan to actually use it.  It could be made an option, but that could become messy since there are many hidden fields unless it was a global option that applied to all hidden fields such as the post area.  Wouldn't be my first choice.

We currently have an open ticket for consideration for inclusion into v4.1 that would allow users to modify/change/edit public facing message strings.  Not sure if it would include button text like you mentioned, but that button text string is in the language file, so you could create your own language version and change any of the text strings that you wanted.

Dec 16, 2008
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Having dealt with Javascript and layers in the past, it's my understanding that closed by default is a setting that is done in the intitial rendering of the page, therefore you could edit the render output to show the form, (sf-framework.css line #131, comment out the text

display: none;

as far as the button text goes, that is not so simple. The specific text "Save New Post" is used in the rendering of the page as a key identifier. I found no less than 5 refrences to the text in the file: simple-forum/forum/forms/sf-form-post.php which is the primary rendering code, and another 12 refrences overall.

You could change the text, using a find replace on that one file, but be aware that it is also tied directly to the text "Do Math To Save" and "Save New Topic" which, combined are refrenced another 38 times over multiple files.

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Dec 16, 2008
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Mr Papa's notion of using the language file is a good one though. You do not need to change the original that way – just the translation.

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Dec 16, 2008
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Thanks Radio that worked a treat, and I'll look into the language file issue presently.

Mar 23, 2009
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Hate to bang away on this but someone just posted a message in my blog

Hi Patung,

Your ‘Forum Posts’ is not user friendly. I typed out my reply in reponse to Embryofields, but can’t find the ‘Enter’ button to post it. Can you do that for me. Please delete this after you’re done.

The guy might work it out eventually, that 'save' is 'submit' or 'post', but some people will just give up on the first try…..

Mar 23, 2009
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You know I don't believe anyone else has ever said this although I stand to be corrected.
What I am hoping to inrtroduce at some stage – maybe 4.1 but I can not guarantee that – is allowing the admin to change any of these messages or labels (well we may have to start off with a cut down list when it happens).
But really…. doesn't understand what 'Save' means???

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Mar 23, 2009
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Ok wer'e just not going to agree here but to me 'save' is not intuitive, think 'save draft' in wordpress, it means preserve changes you have made or create/store a copy somewhere, that store/create a copy or version of your work I can sort of see the connection to submitting a forum post but why not just say 'submit' like wordpress does?  I'd also put the submit button on the right side, again like wordpress.

Mar 23, 2009
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Oh I have no particular partiality to the word 'save'. It just surprises me that someone was unable to interpret it's fairly obvious meaning is all.

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-Radio- said:

Having dealt with Javascript and layers in the past, it's my understanding that closed by default is a setting that is done in the intitial rendering of the page, therefore you could edit the render output to show the form, (sf-framework.css line #131, comment out the text

display: none;

I upgraded to the latest version, and this method doesn't seem to work anymore. Commenting out the display:none in

#sforum #sfpostform,
#sforum #sfsearchform,
#sforum #sfloginform,
#sforum #sfpostform #sftimestamp {
display: none;
    width: 100%; }

Does make the post/topic reply area visible by default, BUT if you click 'quote' on someone;s post it then hides the post/topic reply area, and you have to either click quote a second time or click the post reply button, which is weird and no good.

I'm also confused because #sfpostform seems to have its styling defined in both structure.css, my style, and in sf-framework.css.

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