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YS Yellow Swordfish
Yellow Swordfish
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I do not now why it is an issue for you but that is what we are trying to work out. I certainly have no problem on my test site making this work as expected so it is not a general problem.

Let’s just go back to the beginning because I see you have not really followed our advice so far.

First you have two moderators. BOTH are in more than one user group. One is in 2 groups and the other in 3 groups. Just to keep things clean and tidy I would repeat my recommendation to limit these two users to just true moderators group.

Next – I see that all of the edit permissions for the ‘moderator access’ permission set are turned on. We did recommend that these should be limited to those you really want. Of the three ‘post’ editing permissions choose the one you want. Now I must ask say that it works for me without doing that but keep it clean and simple and give it a try.

If we can get past these two tests which we have been urging you to do and things are still not right then we can look elsewhere but this does have to be done one step at a time.

PA patrick182
patrick182
Member

I have removed both mods from the Members user group. They are both members of a separate private user group. This private user group was set up specifically so that a group of members can have a place to interact without being bothered by others. The two mods were set up to ensure everyone in the private user group plays nice. That being said, the mods are each part of two user groups, Moderators, and the private user group that I’ve titled on the back end. Is this okay?

Of the three ‘post’ editing permissions, I have selected one option, “Can edit any post.” This didn’t have any effect on the mods that I have assigned, but when I created a Test User, assigned it with mod permissions and added it to the private user group, it can edit older posts. No idea how, or why this is the case given that their credentials are set up the same as the other mods in Manage Admins.

 

Any ideas?

MP Mr Papa
Mr Papa
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the reason Andy asked about testing with users not in 2 usergroups is that when a user is in multiple usergroups on the same forum, the ‘best’ permission wins out…  in this case, its not clear what the best permission is….  would still like to see that test…  even it temporary…

not sure I understand what you think you will get with a second, what you call private usergroup on the same forum where they are moderators will buy them???   really nothing… it would be more useful when used on a different, private forum…

PA patrick182
patrick182
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I should clarify. I created a separate private forum. Then I created a separate user group. Only members who are part of this private user group have access to the threads within the private forum.

I assigned mod permissions to two of the members who are part of the private user group with access to the private forum.

So, these two mods are members of the private user group and members of the moderator user group.

If I remove them from one or the other, it would negate the arrangement entirely. Would you agree?

MP Mr Papa
Mr Papa
Member

you are mixing terms… usergroups are not private or public… they are just a collection of users…

you assign a usergroup and a permission set to a forum…  that defines who can access a forum (and using your terms, whether a private forum or not)… 

if you assigned the usergroup assigned to the private forum, then one would assume the moderator usergroup was not also assigned to the private forum since they would have already had membership…. 

the whole question from the start was:  does any users have multiple memberships on the single forum where they are trying to edit…

but I hope to stop by myself later this evening and take a look…

MP Mr Papa
Mr Papa
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which forum are moderators trying to edit a post??

PA patrick182
patrick182
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I created a user group. I then added members to that user group. I then allowed only that user group to have access to the private forum, which I created.

The two mods I have are members of that user group. By definition, they are also members of the moderator user group.

Now I’m getting confused…

 

My mods can’t edit their posts. I have set their permissions so that they can edit any posts. They still can’t edit posts.

MP Mr Papa
Mr Papa
Member

perhaps you need to review this:  http://codex.simple-press.com/codex/getting-started/controlling-access/

you didnt answer my question about which forum…

the only one you may have issue with is Fantasy Sports…

you have the collectors usergroup with standard permissions and you have moderators usergroup with moderator permission…

do you not see how that is conflicting if the moderator users are in both usergroups?  is it needed to be like that?  are the collectors usergroup users also in the members usergroup?

PA patrick182
patrick182
Member

Mr Papa said
which forum are moderators trying to edit a post??

Any, all. I just want them to be able to edit their posts even after replies are submitted.

I created a TestUser to see if I could recreate this problem but couldn’t. My TestUser, assigned with the same permissions as my mods, CAN in fact edit their posts even after someone replies to them.

This is what I don’t understand…

PA patrick182
patrick182
Member

Mr Papa said
perhaps you need to review this:  http://codex.simple-press.com/codex/getting-started/controlling-access/

you didnt answer my question about which forum…

the only one you may have issue with is Fantasy Sports…

you have the collectors usergroup with standard permissions and you have moderators usergroup with moderator permission…

do you not see how that is conflicting if the moderator users are in both usergroups?  is it needed to be like that?  are the collectors usergroup users also in the members usergroup?

The collectors user group are in the members user group. I need my mods to also be in the collectors user group. If I take them out, they won’t have access to the collectors user group, which defeats the whole purpose of having mods in the first place.

As I said, I created a TestUser with the exact same permissions and that works out fine… they can edit their posts even after someone replies. My TestUser is part of both groups, the collectors group, and the moderator group.

MP Mr Papa
Mr Papa
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have you personally tried with the moderator user?  you have two defined…  hawaiiainlance and pootshawn…  perhaps you need to borrow those user credentials and try yourself and ensure…  especially if the testuser account you created is working fine…

I did look through the code and dont really think there is a conflict anyways with the way you have the delete permissions set up…

MP Mr Papa
Mr Papa
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you didnt really answer the question about the fantasy sports forum…  why is the collectors usergroup attached to that forum… its not the private one…  are those users in or not in the members group…  only talking about one specific forum here…

PA patrick182
patrick182
Member

I have already reached out to one of the mods with a request to access their account using their login credentials. I’ll circle back when I am able to.

It’s kinda too bad this this is such a problem…

MP Mr Papa
Mr Papa
Member

its not confirmed a problem yet really… not trying to be cute, but circumstantial at the moment… you tried it with similar user… we tried it with many test users…  all have worked fine…  need to really see it with affected user…

and you already said you cleared the auths cache on forum – tools – housekeeping…  which makes sure there is no incorrect auths caching going on…

PA patrick182
patrick182
Member

Mr Papa said
you didnt really answer the question about the fantasy sports forum…  why is the collectors usergroup attached to that forum… its not the private one…  are those users in or not in the members group…  only talking about one specific forum here…

How can I tell if they are attached?

The collectors user group is only set up to have access to the private forum. The fantasy sports forum is just another public forum. No connection to the private forum or the collectors user group other than members of the collectors user group can access the fantasy sports forum if they want to.