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Feb 3, 2009 - 4:45 pm

bbPress by the makers of WPMU may have this feature. WPMU + BuddyPress has specific plugins for compatability. Multiple threads on multiple issues of bbPress+wordpress compatability and how-to's can also be found on mu.wordpress.org

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Feb 3, 2009 - 7:21 pm

-Radio- said:

bbPress by the makers of WPMU may have this feature. WPMU + BuddyPress has specific plugins for compatability. Multiple threads on multiple issues of bbPress+wordpress compatability and how-to's can also be found on mu.wordpress.org


Thank you Radio.  I'll dig into it tomorrow and post back what I find.

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Feb 22, 2009 - 11:22 am

Radio, I've been looking around, and it appears that there is interest in this, but no support of it anywhere. 

BBpress does not have it. I started a thread on their support forum here.

People at WPMU could not help me.

It looks as if there is a very round-about way of implementing a crude version of forum/blog integration in buddypress.  Buddypress seems to come in modules of social networking components.  One called “Activity Streams” can be configured to show activity (such as blog posts) of a member and his “friends” and display a list of it like a forum.  Perhaps this could be tweaked to show only blog posts of all members, creating at least a common “read only” forum.  Readers would just have to click through the list and comment directly on the blogs using another component called “The Wire” which seems to be a site wide component commenting system… kind of cool. But even if it works as suggested, all this by itself would still be very limiting. 

Thinking on this further, to do this correctly, it requires database integration between the blogs and forums with no duplication of data. Here is what is needed:

- Posters to a forum should have the option to have their topics or comments viewed as an entry to at least one of the blogs that they have permission to edit.

- Bloggers should have the option to have their posts viewed as a subject in at least one of the forums that they have permission to edit.

- Comments to either should be visible in both forum and blog views.

- Edits to one should be reflected in the other views.

- Adding a blog-forum link (or perhaps even a blog-blog or forum-forum link) should be supported at any time by any person with the permission to post to a view that they are linking an existing post into (assuming the author of the original post authorizes that.)

- Deletions should be managed with an option to unlink the post from any of the views in which the author or moderator has permission to delete it from, and only delete the post entirely if it is unlinked from all forums and all blogs.

This is not rocket science, and it's just the beginning. There is way more than just forums and blogs that this concept supports, and I think that the results would be just as explosive. But that's the basics.

One thing promising about BuddyPress's “Activity Stream” is documented as ”Custom components can also hook into the activity streams, meaning any sort of data can be tracked and recorded.“  Would that mean that a third party forum like Simple Press, could be configured to use those streams to access blog posts and comments for exactly the kind of forum blog integration outlined above?

Bill Carson

(btw, the unordered list feature was not working well formatting this post.  It just “undented” the list to the left in IE.)

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Jul 3, 2009 - 6:00 pm

I noticed in this topic the mention of being able to link blog comments to the forum. I went to the online help as directed and there was further mention of the possibility. I would very much like to convert comments to forum posts. I would prefer that the conversation take place in the forum. I would also like to have it only take place in the forum as I don't want to be penalized by search for duplicate content. I was hopping to get a bit more information regarding specifics.

As for the original question ... I would look into vbulletin. I think they are perhaps the most feature rich of the forums. They are also one of the more expensive. If you were able to link many blogs to a single forum it would strike me that that's your best hope. vbulletin does not however work as a plugin for WP it's more or less the otherway around. Not my cup of tea but there is a direction to go in.

Scott

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Jul 4, 2009 - 8:10 am

I am going to let Andy answer this one as he has done the comments integration and I have never used it. It is one way, but cant remember which way.

Clearly, you can disable comments on your blog posts and instead put a link there instead to the topic in the forum to stimulate the discussion. If you create a blog linked topic when creating the blog post, the topic is auto created.

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Jul 4, 2009 - 11:47 am

That's exactly how some people have done it. Kept comments closed and linked to the topic via the built in link.

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Jul 5, 2009 - 9:58 am

AOC-Scott said:

... As for the original question … I would look into vbulletin. I think they are perhaps the most feature rich of the forums. They are also one of the more expensive. If you were able to link many blogs to a single forum it would strike me that that's your best hope. vbulletin does not however work as a plugin for WP it's more or less the otherway around. Not my cup of tea but there is a direction to go in.

Scott


Thanks Scott,  A few months ago I google a conversation of someone promoting the same multi-blog/forum integration on V-Bulitin. http://www.vbulletin.com/forum..... ; He was as puzzled as I that no-one has done it yet. 

This may not apply to you, but with my background, I've moved more toward Dot Net Nuke than Wordpress.  At a DNN conference in Tampa last month, I briefly spoke to someone at activemodules.com.  He said that their Active Social module views forums as just another presentation of blogs so anything posted to one could be available to another depending on the queries behind each.  I haven't investigated to see how well their software supports the rest of the integration discussed here, but it's probably the ideal data structure for it.

Bill

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Jul 5, 2009 - 5:44 pm

Swordfish, Thanks I will look into trying it that way. Sorry I didn't reply sooner, was off celebrating the rebellion. [Image Can Not Be Found]

Elfman, I'm not actually looking to do the multiple blogs attached to a single forum thing, although; you did get me thinking about uses for it. Also, I'm a Unix admin by trade so the dot net stuff is way too complicated for me. [Image Can Not Be Found]

I'll ask around a bit ... post what I come up with. I know a bunch of people, with more money than I, that use vbulletin. I really like simple press as it's light weight and acts as a WP plugin. I see endless posibilities for simple press being the right tool for the job.

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Jul 12, 2009 - 11:27 pm

I asked and was answered, but didn't formally make my request for a feature.
The answer was sound, however; I would like to request a look at the following.

Would it be possible to integrate the forum and the WP blog in such a way that there is not duplicate content? At least not in its entirety. Search engines will penalize for the duplicate content within a site, just as they penalize a site that has duplicate content from another site. Unfortunately search engines have no way of knowing who the original author is. This means that all publishers suffer the penalty. It seems like a simple request for the blog post content being somehow recursed into the forum. The other shoe that drops is the comments/forum content. This is not a bidirectional linkage at this point. I'm not sure if the forum content being placed in the blog comments is currently duplicated or not. However, duplicate content on a site is penalized regardless, as if it were on separate site.

I'm not sure how clear my request was. I hope I have not offended through unintentional criticism. I'm simply looking for more robust SEO and usability through a well integrated plug in.

Given time I really see this project gaining large main stream acceptance. The hard work and dedication is evident. If there is anything I can do to promote it further I will.
AOC-Scott

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Jul 13, 2009 - 2:45 am

Blog post/topic linking is due for a complete review. Sadly we really had t concentrate on other issues and requirements for the forthcoming 4.1 but it is virtually top of the list for the next major update after that.

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