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One of the best SEO tips I ever received, and still use to this day, is:
For the best Google Rank, do NOT focus on Google.
Google did not get where it is today, by being predictable. More than one report over the years has made big news in the SEO world, that Google has changed their ranking systems yet again.
What each report fails to point out is that Google changes their ranking algorythms EVERY DAY.
Build your site's content, crate a niche and draw your own following, submit to aggregator sites and other search engines but do not focus your life around Google.
If Google is going to punish your page rank because you have non-google ads, or if you produce a few landing pages with with excerpted content from the full content of your site, you will go crazy trying to adjust to every single nuance in their ranking system of the day.
If you really want the BEST SEO, use the tools available to you to create unique content, and display it in simple human readable form. If you have a niche site, be sure to learn all you can about your niche subject and present it in clear language. Illustrate it with your own photos (with photo tags and key word descriptions) and be sure to use no more than six or seven applicable key words in your dynamic headers.
Simple:Press Forums presents tools for SEO such as using excerpts instead of full post content, as well as the ability to use RSS for sitemaping. Using these tools to their optimum should eliminate the google 'Duplicate Content' deductions you mention, as well as provide you with top notch SEO on sections of your site that other webmaster's can only dream of.
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-Radio- said:
If Goggle is going to punish your page rank because you have non-google ads, or if you produce a few landing pages with with excerpted content from the full content of your site, you will go crazy trying to adjust to every single nuance in their ranking system of the day.
Radio, AOC-Scott - That probably makes sense. I don't know much about SCO, but "if" the Google ranking penalty is significant, maybe it could be managed by having a Simple Press option to put a NoIndex meta tag on either the forum or on blog pages displaying linked posts. It probably should go on the forum topic page since it's generated by Simple Press and because one of the most common purposes of the linkage would be to drive traffic from busy forums to blogs.
Bill
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-Radio-
You are absolutely correct. I focused too much on duplication as a justification for what I really want. The ability to seamlessly use simple press as the comment structure for my blog. Post a Comment = post in the form. I can probably hack it up a bit and use links as suggested, but I plan to rinse and repeat with various themes and such. The plugin doing the heavy lifting would be very helpful. I never used the "G" word and yet you knew exactly what I was referring to. 
I write nothing for Google, I host my own analytics and take their advice and criticism with a grain of salt. I shouldn't have started with justifications ... you caught me.
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SCO is a version of Unix with a bad business model. You understand the basics of SEO.
I'm still mulling over the multiple blog to single mega forum idea. I like it.
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AOC-Scott said:
-Elfman
SCO is a version of Unix with a bad business model. You understand the basics of SEO.
I’m still mulling over the multiple blog to single mega forum idea. I like it.
Scott
Oops, thanks for the correction Scott. Typing faster than I'm thinking...
Perhaps enabling a many to many blog to forum relationship would be better than limiting it to a many to one. Imagine a portal regarding Wordpress (or anything else) with diversely focused forums. Contributers may give freely to each, but some also want to be able to easily archive their work (and perhaps reorganize it) in their own blog for their own purposes. Perhaps in ways that mirror our real world social systems.
Taking that capability a step further, enable posts to appear on multiple blogs and on multiple forums. But unlike the dreaded Usenet cross postings, it would be managed.
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Just joined this forum and thread because no one else has made any of this work. There are a lot of half-baked solutions that almost work and get dropped when the developer gets his personal setup functional (i.e. wp2bb).
I don't think most of us care about multiple blogs attached to a single forum, etc. We just have a fairly generic WP install, and we want the separate comment engine on our website to go away entirely and be replaced with forum threads.
Here's what I imagine:
+ Blog posts automatically start a forum thread with a link to the original post. Forum thread subject format is settable: for instance, "Comment Thread: [$SUBJECT]"
Possible enhancement: magic tags can make the post appear somewhere besides the default forum.
+ The current blog commenting engine is disabled and not visible anywhere.
+ However, to the user, WP blog commenting looks exactly the same as it always has. This means that the blog engine is displaying a single forum thread instead of the comment thread (omitting the first post that is just a linkback, obviously), adding a "comment" is actually adding a forum post, and when it displays "X Comments", it actually means "there are X - 1 posts in the forum thread".
I would contribute money to anyone who had a stable solution that works and is easy to install and configure (and preferably works out of the box, as I'm not a web guru).
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The Blog Post/Forum Topic linking will be the number one priority in 4.2. That is already decided. So a complete overhaul in other words.
But I don't really follow what this means:
"Forum thread subject format is settable: for instance, 'Comment Thread: [$SUBJECT]'
Possible enhancement: magic tags can make the post appear somewhere besides the default forum."
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spork said:
...I don't think most of us care about multiple blogs attached to a single forum, etc. We just have a fairly generic WP install, and we want the separate comment engine on our website to go away entirely and be replaced with forum threads...
spork - I agree. At most, multi-blog multi-forum comment integration is only useful to people wanting either multiple blogs or wanting to enhance the profiles of their forum members to resemble blogs. Most people don't need either. It's a niche market.
But what blows me away is that nobody, and I mean NOBODY has recognized that niche and captured it. I think it's a game changer, and when it proves itself, this will become a much larger market.
Yellow Swordfish, I'm not familiar with the data structures here, but I think something like this will be needed:
| tblComments | tblLINKComments_Threads | tblDiscussionThreads |
tblForumTopics | |||||||||
| CommentID | < | - | >> | CommentID | ThreadType | ForumID | ||||||
| Comment | ThreadID | << | - | ThreadID | << | - | > | ForumTopicID | ||||
| | | ||||||||||||
| | | tblBlogPosts | |||||||||||
| | | BlogID | |||||||||||
| - | > | BlogPostID |
- In this structure, blog posts, blog comments and forum posts are all stored in a common Comments table.
- The LINKComments_Threads table enables a many to many relationship so that comments can be presented as descusions in one or more blogs and forums.
- The DiscussionThread table is needed because of the assumption that forum topics and blog posts are already stored in different tables. I'd need to know more to suggest exaclty how that linkage could work, but if it is done something like this, it potentially enables comments to be appended into many other site components through other thread types.
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Yellow Swordfish said:
The Blog Post/Forum Topic linking will be the number one priority in 4.2. That is already decided. So a complete overhaul in other words.
But I don't really follow what this means:
"Forum thread subject format is settable: for instance, 'Comment Thread: [$SUBJECT]'
Possible enhancement: magic tags can make the post appear somewhere besides the default forum."
All that means is that, when the system automatically creates a comment thread on the forums for a new blog post, that the admin can set what the subject of the thread looks like.
For instance, some people might want the comment thread to have this subject:
COMMENTS: First Post To My New Blog!
And some might want:
First Post To My New Blog! - Comment Thread
Or:
[COMMENTS] First Post To My New Blog!
And so on. Just a string that lets the admin specify where the post subject appears inside it. (And, if you wanted to get fancy, some way to cut it off at X characters so your subject lines don't wrap and get ugly.)
Let me take this opportunity to compliment you: I'm impressed by what you've done so far. SPF seems to cover the basics very well, and the SEO-friendly (and human-friendly) URLs are a great touch. Most of the world, including me, just wants a forum that works out of the box and looks the same as the rest of their WP site without going through a bunch of BS trying to get wp-united and phpBB and whatever else to play nice. SPF being an actual WP plugin is huge.
elfman: I don't understand all the internals you're talking about, but I agree that seamless comment integration will be a game-changer. People will realize what a great feature it is once other sites start using it, and I think that in a few years it'll become a "how did we ever get along without this" situation, like CMS software in general.
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spork said:
elfman: I don't understand all the internals you're talking about, but I agree that seamless comment integration will be a game-changer…
spork: Even if you understand data structures, the one I first posted was overcomplicated. This may make more sense.
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| tblComments | tblLINKComponents | tblForumTopics | ||||||||
| CommentID | < | - | - | >> | CommentID | ForumID | ||||
| Comment | ThreadID | << | - | - | > | ForumTopicID | ||||
| … | ThreadType (Forum, Blog, etc…) | | | … | |||||||
| LinkID | | | |||||||||
| … | | | tblBlogPosts | ||||||||
| | | BlogID | |||||||||
| - | - | > | BlogPostID | |||||||
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- In this structure, blog posts, blog comments and forum posts are all stored in a common Comments table.
- The LINKComponents table enables a many to many relationship so that comments can be presented as discusions in one or more blogs and forums. Assuming forum posts and blog comments are already stored in different tables, something like the ThreadType field is needed as a conditional for the joins. I'd need to know more to be able to suggest exactly how those joins could work (databases are not my specialty), but it could potentially enable comments to also be integrated with other site components (like events or announcements) using other thread types.
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