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Mr Papa
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Jan 27, 2012 - 9:58 am

I do not see anything like this... 18 seconds?  would frustrate me too...  of course, the js that runs to do the quicklinks cannot run until after the page loads...

sptab, are you on vps or dedicated server?  hosting can easily play here...

you wont be able to cache the forum using a standard wp cache plugin simply because all forum content is displayed on a single wp page... the caching plugins will just cache the last view which will be wrong almost all the time...

5.0 is leaps and bounds faster than 4.5 and we have large numbers of users that have confirmed the nice speed...  so we just need to understand what might be going on in your case...

as to the browser, kind of clueless there as we dont do anything different based on browser...

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Conrad_Farlow
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Jan 27, 2012 - 11:40 am

Steve I agree that my impression initially was that 5 was much faster. I am going to look at the Net tab on firebug when I get home later. It's no good testing at work because all my connections run through a proxy some 1500 miles away!

I will then try and set up a local copy with XAMPP - never done this before. I will also try a standard install on the same test site server without any of my hacks to see what happens.

There will be something strange going on, as to why it doesn't happen with Safari and Chrome questionquestionquestionconfused

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Yellow Swordfish
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Jan 27, 2012 - 12:17 pm

All the same, bear in mind that webkit browsers (Safari/Chrome) ARE consistently faster than FF and much lighter as well. Opera is faster as well. But odd.

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Jan 27, 2012 - 3:06 pm

Well I hope that I can improve things dramatically because the majority of the users on the website proper are using either IE8 or Firefox. As it stands I will get loads of abuse if I was to upgrade the forum proper. Hopefully I will get to the bottom of it.

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Mr Papa
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Jan 27, 2012 - 4:26 pm

would be interested in what you find...

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Jan 28, 2012 - 2:44 am

Mr Papa said

I do not see anything like this... 18 seconds?  would frustrate me too...  of course, the js that runs to do the quicklinks cannot run until after the page loads...

sptab, are you on vps or dedicated server?  hosting can easily play here...

you wont be able to cache the forum using a standard wp cache plugin simply because all forum content is displayed on a single wp page... the caching plugins will just cache the last view which will be wrong almost all the time...

 

 

I am using a dedicated server (Dual Xeon, 24 GB Ram, Linux Debian) which a reasonnably well optimized.

The traffic on the forum is rather small 50 to 100 users (according the the currently online page, which takes a large time window I suppose) of which 80% are guests. There's also a Blog on the same machine but it has a small impact on the performance as most trafic hits cached pages.

I have enabled slow query logging on mysql and did not catch anything. Is there a way to easy get a timing of the rendering of each part of the forum page ? How about caching parts so they aren't recalculated before there is new data in ?

Thanks for your help.

PS: if you need to check, my forum is linked on my website part of my profile here at simple-press.com forum. 

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Yellow Swordfish
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Jan 28, 2012 - 5:24 am

I've just spent 5 or so minutes trawling your forum.

Mac/Firefox 9/No browser cache on. Max 2mb ADSL broadband connection (we're more rural here!)

I only found one page that took longer than 2 seconds to load up. In fact, I was rather envious and proud at how fast it was all loading. The one blip was on a topic view that had 29 posts. I would seriously consider dropping that and paging. It does go without saying that the more posts you display per page then the longer it is going to take to compile the display... that's what paging is really for across all web apps! It''s a trade-off... show more data slowly or less data quickly but your users need to load more pages. The end result may take the same time but loading quicker is a better user experience.

The only other relatively slow page was just waiting for an ad to get loaded and you are pulling in data from multiple sources so you have to expect that to happen. But on the whole I would be over the moon with the kind of performance I was just seeing so I really do not understand your issues. And as I say - that was with my browser cache turned off!

There are quite a few WP plugins that will perform timings, query breakdowns etc. We do not litter production code with debug breakpoints but have been using them extensively through the development process.

We also have a mySQL long query log active of, I believe, anything over a second. Ironically, it mainly just reports a couple of WP core queries if it ever reports anything at all - especially the early grab of the WP Options table which is just about the most inefficient mess you could encounter. Keeping that table clean of garbage is a good idea.

One thing I will recommend that we know can be a performance killer... if are using Gravatars then download and activate the SP gravatar cache plugin.

And finally - yes we are caching more and more internally and it is the one area where I continually look for improvements and opportunities to do more.

Update Edit:  By the way I should have added that the 'slow' page with the 29 posts took just under 5 seconds so it was not actually a go and make a cup of coffee moment!

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Mr Papa
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Jan 28, 2012 - 9:10 am

you aint seen nothing regarding rural as me!  I might get 1MB!  but my experience is the same... typically 1-3 seconds per page load...

and if you look at alexa (wow, we rank as 10,000ish site in US??? and 25,000ish in World???) they show our site loading time at about 3 seconds...  which they (and us frankly) rank as slow...  but it was significantly larger loading times in 4.5...  my only point is they are not exorbitant loading times...

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Conrad_Farlow
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Jan 28, 2012 - 9:36 am

I run the net tab on firebug and have seen 37 seconds for a full page load. Steve have a look at http://www.g0ruz.com/ABF_Test you should have a password. See how long it takes for you.

As an aside I have got another domain on the server where I have the live site and I'll be copying it there so we'll see how that goes. That server is fast the V4.5 install loads in under 2 seconds on there.

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Mr Papa
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Jan 28, 2012 - 12:43 pm

you did? I dont see in my PM inbox...

the site, without logging in, came up almost instantly in FF wink

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